Comments on: What We Do Without Business Objects Knowing About It… http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/ ...you are in a twisty maze of passageways, all different... Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:17:49 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: KFonMurphi http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1658 KFonMurphi Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:58:53 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-1658 Another one: in 5.0 I could dig into the SQL repository and link reports and universes, make my own control queries, and search what was used where. Come XI. The repository is a closed encrypted black box. I know some tools exist - my boss won't pay for them. Another one: in 5.0 I could dig into the SQL repository and link reports and universes, make my own control queries, and search what was used where.

Come XI. The repository is a closed encrypted black box. I know some tools exist – my boss won’t pay for them.

]]> By: KFonMurphi http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1657 KFonMurphi Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:54:56 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-1657 This is an old post but still current. My users are still heavily frustrated by functions still lacking in Webi (grouping of values!), bugs, this huge and messy Properties tab, poor charts, bugs, the so-short timeout (that the administrator cannot increase in an easy way), a Rich Client which needs its own data access and cannot automatically synchronize its documents with the repository (I know, this is a feature), bugs, the Report converter still unable to save hidden breaks in a Deski report, bugs, and I could continue for ages. Why is the Interactive viewer so restricted? It is much more appealing to many users, and works well. But totally different from Webi, I can't show the two editors at once to my users without causing a brain overflow. This is worse for non-English speakers, at least for French ones: some translations are misleading, different in Webi and Interactive editors (breaks = Rupture or Saut), the format date documentation is misleading (indicates French formats, but Webi still uses American ones), and on an one... I'm worried that Webi is improving so slowly while other editors improve their products. This is an old post but still current.

My users are still heavily frustrated by functions still lacking in Webi (grouping of values!), bugs, this huge and messy Properties tab, poor charts, bugs, the so-short timeout (that the administrator cannot increase in an easy way), a Rich Client which needs its own data access and cannot automatically synchronize its documents with the repository (I know, this is a feature), bugs, the Report converter still unable to save hidden breaks in a Deski report, bugs, and I could continue for ages.

Why is the Interactive viewer so restricted? It is much more appealing to many users, and works well. But totally different from Webi, I can’t show the two editors at once to my users without causing a brain overflow.

This is worse for non-English speakers, at least for French ones: some translations are misleading, different in Webi and Interactive editors (breaks = Rupture or Saut), the format date documentation is misleading (indicates French formats, but Webi still uses American ones), and on an one…

I’m worried that Webi is improving so slowly while other editors improve their products.

]]> By: Mick Arundell http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-987 Mick Arundell Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:23:35 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-987 In BO 5.1 I could change the universe that a query used without changing the other queries. Lovely, I have a number of similar universes, make one correct query, copy it and change the underlying universe and bob's your uncle. with BOXI when I change the universe in 1 query it insists on changing the universes in all queries. Next: 5.1 I could 1) choose which reports in a set to print AND get the page numbers to run consecutively in XI both are missing. What I would really like is a way to include comments in reports, queries and variables so that other developers can understand my efforts. Another thing is a way to export all variables to a formatted text file to use as report validation. Mick In BO 5.1 I could change the universe that a query used without changing the other queries. Lovely, I have a number of similar universes, make one correct query, copy it and change the underlying universe and bob’s your uncle.
with BOXI when I change the universe in 1 query it insists on changing the universes in all queries.

Next:
5.1 I could 1) choose which reports in a set to print AND get the page numbers to run consecutively

in XI both are missing.

What I would really like is a way to include comments in reports, queries and variables so that other developers can understand my efforts.

Another thing is a way to export all variables to a formatted text file to use as report validation.

Mick

]]> By: Paulo Felipe http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-300 Paulo Felipe Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:54:52 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-300 <blockquote cite="Dave Rathbun">If my memory is correct, it wasn’t until the XI release that we could actually repoint a Web Intelligence document from one data source to another.</blockquote> You're correct. I'm struggling with that in 6.5, by the way. :( Can't wait for the XI migration...

If my memory is correct, it wasn’t until the XI release that we could actually repoint a Web Intelligence document from one data source to another.

You’re correct. I’m struggling with that in 6.5, by the way. :(

Can’t wait for the XI migration…

]]> By: Anita Craig http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Anita Craig Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:20:25 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-298 Amen, Dwayne! I was so disappointed in how Crystal worked when I took a class -- I think full-client BusinessObjects is actually more powerful as well as user-friendly. And BusinessObjects didn't seem to know that full-client was so good. I can't begin to say how stunned I was when "Bernard" introduced Crystal 2008 as their "flagship product" at the conference last year! Amen, Dwayne! I was so disappointed in how Crystal worked when I took a class — I think full-client BusinessObjects is actually more powerful as well as user-friendly.

And BusinessObjects didn’t seem to know that full-client was so good. I can’t begin to say how stunned I was when “Bernard” introduced Crystal 2008 as their “flagship product” at the conference last year!

]]> By: Carol http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-297 Carol Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:26:01 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-297 I agree. We were running just fine on 6.5 with our desktop intelligence corporate reports using linked universes with no issues. It was a little slow. XI came out and broke the linked universes and said they were not supports. That scrapped XI until XIR2 came out and I think it was SP2 or so that the linked universes were actual "fixed" again. Now with XI 3.0 & 3.1 the linked universes are "broken" again. Sometime I want to scream, what code base are you starting at when you start on a new course? I agree. We were running just fine on 6.5 with our desktop intelligence corporate reports using linked universes with no issues. It was a little slow. XI came out and broke the linked universes and said they were not supports. That scrapped XI until XIR2 came out and I think it was SP2 or so that the linked universes were actual “fixed” again. Now with XI 3.0 & 3.1 the linked universes are “broken” again. Sometime I want to scream, what code base are you starting at when you start on a new course?

]]> By: Dwayne Hoffpauir http://www.dagira.com/2008/08/06/what-we-do-without-business-objects-knowing-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-296 Dwayne Hoffpauir Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:04:01 +0000 http://www.dagira.com/?p=100#comment-296 Amen to the topic title! I am convinced that BusObj had little idea how far their customers had "evolved" with the full client reporting tool. So many tips and tricks and workarounds and VBA enhancements developed by real users meeting real reporting needs, but that BusObj themselves (at the least the product marketing folks) seemed to have little insight into. When BusObj bought Crystal, the marketing spin was "now we offer an enterprise reporting tool." WRONG! The classic full client tool has been doing pixel perfect, complex calculation type of reporting for a LONG time. Amen to the topic title! I am convinced that BusObj had little idea how far their customers had “evolved” with the full client reporting tool. So many tips and tricks and workarounds and VBA enhancements developed by real users meeting real reporting needs, but that BusObj themselves (at the least the product marketing folks) seemed to have little insight into. When BusObj bought Crystal, the marketing spin was “now we offer an enterprise reporting tool.” WRONG! The classic full client tool has been doing pixel perfect, complex calculation type of reporting for a LONG time.

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